TPLO Surgery For Dogs That Have A Torn ACL
Last month, on a warm sunny day, Jim & I had just returned home from a trip to Canada.
We picked up our dog at the pet sitters, then we all played at home in the backyard together. Tenor was soooo happy to see us. It had been a week -- about the longest he'd been away from us.
Suddenly, he got this urge to just start running... HARD!
Tenor was running laps from corner to corner -- the entire perimeter of our fence line. When all of a sudden, as he was running and turning the corner, he yelped and fell down. His knee gave out. That was the start of Tenor's 3-legged mobility.
Our Dog Tore His ACL
We immediately called our vet, who said to put him on the Deramaxx pain killers we had leftover from the last time he pulled his leg muscle. If it continued for more than a week, he wanted us to bring Tenor in for x-rays.
It continued. The meds didn't help much. Tenor wouldn't put any weight on that back right leg at all. When we took him to the vet for x-rays, it was obvious that he'd torn his ACL.
Here's a great explanation: What Is An ACL?
The vet said Tenor had about an inch or so of free-range motion in that knee -- in a direction that he was supposed to have NONE. (More proof that the ligament was torn.)
So we scheduled our initial pre-op visit with the veterinary surgeon who comes highly recommended in these parts: Dr. Samuel Beckman with Affiliated Veterinary Specialists here in Nashville. (They're also the doctors associated with the after-hours emergency care center.)
So we took our vet's x-rays to the surgeon (Dr. Beckman), who also did a visual exam of Tenor and agreed the TPLO surgery was necessary.
By the way, while examining Tenor's x-rays (one set included his hips), Dr. Beckman said that Tenor will never have a problem with his hips -- they look REALLY good. Whew! some good news for a change!
Dr Beckman also spent a good deal of time explaining to us the parts of a dog's knee, how the knee and ACL work in dogs -- including ways that they're similar and ways that they're different from a human's ACL and a human's knee, the options for this type of injury, and what to expect in terms of the surgery and recuperation period.
What Does TPLO Surgery Cost?
We were given a ballpark figure ranging from $2,647 to $2,806 for the surgery & meds. (The variation was based on how much medication Tenor would ultimately need.)
In the end, we walked out with a bill of $2,541.
For the record, we had to pay 80% up front (on a credit card) before the surgery even took place. They don't take any chances with non-paid bills for high-dollar surgeries these days. Which I completely understand. (And no, we didn't have pet insurance.)
In case you're wondering, the bigger parts of the itemized TPLO surgery included:
Anesthesia (Tenor weighs 75 lbs) $375ACL repair - TPLO on a large dog $650 (this was the cost for the labor alone)
ACL parts - 1 metal plate $210 and 6 screws $126
2-night stay requiring 24-hour nursing care, level 3 $156
2-night hospitalization standard (walks & feeding?) $50
X-rays (yes, this doctor required his own set of X-rays -- one set prior to surgery and another set immediatley after surgery. AND we have to go back in 6 months for a follow-up visit to make sure everything is healing properly, which is where he'll compare with the earlier sets) $196
The remaining balance included all of the many meds, bloodwork, IV's, surgical prep, operating room, bandages, e-collar etc.
Tenor's surgery took place exactly one month to the day that he tore his ACL running in our backyard. (He is 7 days post-op as I write this.)
By the way, we consulted with 3 separate veterinarians prior to scheduling the surgery, regarding whether or not there were other options instead of the TPLO surgery to repair Tenor's knee. But, because he's such a large dog, each recommended the surgery. And each told us the going rate was between $2,500 and $3,000 for TPLO surgery. (Other reports support this figure.)
What if you cannot afford the surgery for your dog?
TPLO Surgery For Dogs With Torn ACLs
Here are some of the interesting things I learned about a dog's ACL and TPLO surgery:
Dr. Beckman said that TPLO surgeries are incredibly common in most full-breed Labradors, though a mixed-breed Labrador generally doesn't have as high chances of inheriting the weak ACL as full-breed Labs do. Tenor was the exception to this rule. (He's part Labrador Retriever, part Great Pyrenees.)
Dr. Beckman does roughly 100 TPLO surgeries on dogs each year. He did 2 others on the same day he did Tenor's.
When a dog tears his ACL, basically you can either do nothing or have the surgery. There's not a lot of middle ground with things you can try along the way. Of course, you'll have your dog owners who swear by natural medicine and holistic care, including vitamins, natural foods, and supplements -- which may work for some. But for the most part, the larger the dog, the more the TPLO surgery is pretty much the only way to go.
I was told (by all 3 veterinarians we met with) that it's not as imperative as you might think to rush a dog into surgery right after you notice the limp from a torn ACL. It won't "heal wrong" or anything. And dogs (including Tenor) can function quite well on 3 legs in the meantime. The biggest difference is... the longer you wait to have the surgery, the more pronounced the arthritis will likely be as your dog ages. Arthritis in dogs who've had torn ACLs is pretty much inevitable. It's just the degree to which that arthritis sets in that differs in dogs -- and it's based on a whole host of other factors (including diet, activity level, overall health, etc.)
Dr. Beckman said the bad news is... when a dog tears his ACL in one leg, 30% of dogs will tear the ACL in the other leg at some later date, as well. (I've actually read this stat could be as high as 50%.)
Greater than 90% of dogs enjoy a seemingly pain-free and limp-free quality of life. It is important to understand that the knee cannot be returned to a 100% return to function. In addition 30-40% dogs that rupture one knee, will have the opposite knee rupture, often times within the next 12-18 months. Source
I asked about the "fishing line surgery" that I'd seen on the Internet (in the video below). All 3 veterinarians agreed that type of surgery works better on smaller dogs; larger dogs are just likely to tear that as well. Or, our surgeon added, if a dog is older and/or less active, and money is an issue, then that might be a viable option. (Tenor is a 2-year-old puppy with lots of energy.)
Basically, for TPLO surgery on a dog, they separate the bones, remove the ruptured ligament, and screw the bones together with a metal plate that enable the knee to bend properly. In veterinary medicine throughout the years, the size and shape of that metal plate has changed a bit in order to accommodate what they've learned about the way dogs use their knees and how their range of motion is slightly different than humans. Plus, they use a smaller metal plate for small dogs and a larger plate for large dogs.
I asked Dr. Beckman about glucosimine and condroiton supplements, and whether I should be giving them to our Tenor to build up the fluids and strength of the joints. He said that was a great question. (Why, thank you!) Basically, he said there's a ton of research that shows glucosimine and condroiton (both, the human versions and dog versions) are perfectly safe for dogs. What has not been proven however, is their degree of effectiveness with dogs. He said some of his patients seem to do well on those supplements; others show no improvements. He recommended that I talk to my regular vet about it, because a regular vet specializes in long-term care for dogs (whereas he specializes in short-term emergency care for pets).
Tenor's stitches are self-dissolving, so there are no stitches to remove. But Dr. Beckman still likes to check the dog's progress at 2-3 weeks post-op. Then again at the 6-month mark to make sure things have healed properly internally (thus, another set of x-rays).
He said it is rare that a dog will also tear the cartilage in the knee at the same time he tears the ACL (1 in 100), but our dog tore the cartilage in his knee at the same time. That just meant that Dr. Beckman had to remove that broken piece of cartilage while he was in there doing the surgery.
Cider my 6 year old 120lb yellow lab just had tplo surgery on wend and she is recovering really well. Dr. Juan Marti in Chesapeake, Va did the surgery and could not have been any nicer and helpful during the process. Being that our dog is a little over wieght our local vet put Cider on Slentrol for fast wieght loss, has anyone had any experince with this med? Also any advice for post op care?
Jason,
My chow chow, Sassy (6 yrs old) her TPLO surgery in June. She is completely healed now. I was very strict on the lease thing for 2 months. Our daughter works for the clinic that did the surgery and she was adament about the leash. The repairs after they damage their new hardware is quite extreme. The lease is much easier than a costly repair. Sassy now is allowed to run free and she seems to know her own limitations. She chased a rabbit at the park last Sunday and she did not run with quite the same vigor but the thrill is in the chase anyway -- she never catches them. Synovi G3 soft chews help with the arthritis. She has had an ulnar ostiotomy when she was 6 mos old and has been taking the G3 to help with arthritis with that. Doctor says it will help after this too so she is still taking it.
Hi Jason,
Make sure your dog is on a leash and goes to the bathroom and comes right back in. My dog tried to run after lizards but i had her on a leash so she did not get that far. Good luck i know this surgery is rough and has a long recovery.
Hi Brandi,
For what it's worth, my dog (featured in this article) broke out into a full run several WEEKS after surgery and it scared me to death! But it had absolutely no affect on him - he healed perfectly fine, and quickly -- despite that one running instance.
I'm not sure what running just a few DAYS after surgery would do though... I'd watch him closely, that's for sure. I would also touch base with the doctor who performed the surgery, and ask for their advice (or reassurance) too.
Jason,
My 130lb rott just had the surgery on monday, and today we went to go the bathroom, and he took off after a deer, he didn't cry or anything, but now I'm so worried. He never does that, so I wasn't worried. Did your dog ever run right after surgery?
For those of you that are confused about what to do. If your dog has snapped one ACL and you are not careful with them; then there is a high chance they will snap the other as well. I paid 2750.00. I got 3 opinions and all were very accurate. We just got TPLO surgery done on my American Bulldog/American Rott. She is 3 Years old and very active. She is 98lbs and I have to say this was the best thing ever. She is 3 weeks into recovery and things are looking better and better each passing day. Before she used to tip toe on her back legs and shifted all her body weight on the front two legs. She would waddle like a duck! Now she is walking with the right posture her legs are spread at equal distance and appears she is on her way to being a normal dog again. I love my dog and think this is the best thing for her. Most people think a leg will heal on it’s own. Let me clarify that statement; They don’t. No matter how much rest the dog has the ligament needs to be repaired or replaced if they are ever going to get to live normal lives again. The purpose of keeping the dog relaxed is so the pain becomes tolerable to the dog. What I didn’t see on this site was the mention of how severe the arthritis will get as the dog gets older. TPLO worked for me and my friend Tela. I would recommend you do it too! If you live in Houston Brookdale Animal Hospital is great. If you have a small dog less the 50 pounds there are alternatives that don’t cost half as much. I think the cost if between 4 and 8 hundred dollars. Hope this helps anyone. jlozano@xvand.com if you have any questions. I would be more than glad to share my experience with you.
I have a 5 year old 110 lb German Shepherd. I am now contemplating a second surgery. Left leg this time. We did the tplo on the right leg in 10/2007 and it was a disaster. It took over 10 months and a second surgery to remove all of the hardware to try to get rid of an infection and to repair a torn meniscus. We strictly followed the protocol for post op recovery. It sounds like the surgery can be a life saver when everything goes right, but when it goes wrong, (4 percent is what I was told) it can be a horrible, painful recovery. Still for a dog this big, the tplo is probably our best bet. I am just scared to death.
Reading all of these success stories is a help.
Wow, great post! We went through the same problem, and I tried to document it... I wish we would have taken more pictures, etc.
Thanks for sharing your story, I know it must help many other dog owners who experiance the same thing.
is it possible to let us know your vet's name? we ar from your area and making the surgery decision now. Thanks, Joy
Tracey
I think you'll be happy with the results of the TPLO surgery. Mikie, our 85 lb half Louisiana Catahoula Leopard and half Lab had his surgery last December after he tore his ACL while playing in a rare snowfall here in Louisiana. Even though he has always been very active, he seemed to know his limits after the surgery. We did keep him in a kennel in one of the spare back bedrooms when we weren't at home, but he pretty much had free roam in the carpeted areas when we were home. We were lucky in that we were both home for a week after the surgery which I think really helped. He carried his leg in the house for a long time even though he would put weight on it when we would walk him. After about 3 months we put him in PT where he was exercised on a treadmill in a tank of water. He did that twice a day, 3 days a week for 3 weeks I think. Each session lasting 1 hour. By the end of 3 weeks he was running at a pretty good clip in the tank. That helped to speed the restoration of the muscle mass he lost. Today he is good as new. The one thing we have taken away from him is the game he and our neighbors dog played of racing each other up and down the fence line which resulted in sudden stops, reversing direction and racing the other way. I believe it cost us about $3200 if you include the PT. If faced with it again, I'd do it again. Because Mikie is NOT "just a dog." All the best to you and Sebastion.
Was just wondering how everyone has faired the TPLO surgery? Sebastian is scheduled for surgery this next Tuesday, September 1st. Since my initial posting about the price differences here in the Bay Area I found a wonderful surgeon in San Rafael and the Pet Emergency & Specialty Center of Marin. Their price is $3,200 total! Far cry from from the $45,00 - $5,000 we we're quoted in Concord. The surgeon is Cheri Nielson, she is TPLO trained and she is Board Certified. She seems very compassionate and is also surprisingly young. Funny as you get older the doctors look like they could be your children :) The bad news is that while we have waited for her 2 week vacation to end Sebastian's other knee has given way. Although we had planned, at her suggestion, to have them both done 4 weeks apart I was hoping to extend that 4 weeks so we could save up the other $3,200. I now call him my $6,400 dog! My hubby teases me that there goes his down payment on a Harley or small sailboat, haha, he's soo funny! I still debate with myself between doing the TPLO or the traditional suture but only because of the cost difference. I'd be curious if anyone out there has any comments either good or bad on the traditional vs. TPLO for a larger lab like Sebastian (83 lbs.). We'll most likely go with the TPLO but I still have my doubts. I'm sometimes of the thought that of course there going to recommend the TPLO it's twice the money, but maybe that's my old way of thinking! I'll keep you posted on our outcome. Thanks to all!
My 4 yr old female boxer had the surgery last Thurs. 8/20 after last winter's runabout resulting in a partial tear. After 3 months of Glucosomine by vet this year in Spring which didn't help and actually got worse (yelped when she got up from a lying position), we went ahead with the procedure. Now, the past 3 days she's had a "cough" and now she's going to our regular vet - maybe kennel cough. (is this ever going to end?) I had my dog's PPLO done in Malvern, PA for $2400. After the sticker shock, we paid it. Seems like a good price to me now that I've read this board. By the way, I waited too long...she has hip dysplasmia on her left hip, arthritis in her hip and arthritis in her operated right knee. Now I'm searching for a premium dog food and supplements for arthritic dogs. I wish I were wiser 4 yrs ago about her diet - maybe this whole series of problems wouldn't have started.
My Dutch Shepherd had TPLO surgery yesterday in Almonte ON by a 'roving' surgeon that we checked was registered by Slocum Enterprises - the owners of the technology. It was $3100 including a pre scope that removes the requirement for kneecap removal. Get prices from Rural, lower overhead Vets.
we went to vsa in dublin. The surgery was $5000, but you can get that amount paid off in monthly installments. Ask them for the payment plan. They cost more because they are board certified. My german shepherd did the tplo surgery back in June.
My pitbull Roxie had TPLO surgery last August. While her leg is better than it was before she still limps on it after running or playing in the yard. We still try to keep the running to a minimum but its difficult. I believe she has some arthritis in the leg since we had to wait 4 months before we could afford the surgery.
We just brought Whitney home from her TPLO surgery today and she is doing great...relatively speaking. She is putting weight on her leg, eating well and appears to be resting comfortably. The other two dogs obviously know she isn't up to par and are being very respectful of her and her space. What a relief!!!
So, the easy part is over and the hard part begins...keeping her totally confined to her kennel, at least until her first follow up appointment next Tuesday. We will do whatever we need to do, we are just extremely glad to have her back home. Whew!!! Parenting is a tough job isn't it?
Thank you all for the thoughts and well wishes.
Tracey, best wishes for you and Sebastian. A second opinion is a very smart decision. I guess time will tell if TPLO was the right choice for Whitney. It is obvious that the cost of living is higher in CA...I'm in NC and our all inclusive cost for the surgery was $2800. I feel like I got a real bargain. :)
Stella,
Just wanted to wish both you and Whitney the best of luck with the surgery. I know what you mean, I am also a basket case! My 2 year old yellow lab, Sebastian, is probably going to have the surgery next week. We are meeting with another surgeon tomorrow (our second) just to make sure there are no other options. He's a pretty big boy at 83 pounds and it looks as though the TPLO is our only option. I am scared to death! We have 4 dogs and I have been really lucky so far with their health but I am for sure getting pet insurance after this unexpected surprise! Anyways, wish you the best and a quick recovery to your Whitney. Take care!
Stella,
I will be praying for both you and your dog. It is a very stressful thing to go through but you WILL make it. My dog will be 5 weeks post-op Thursday and I have to say I am very pleased with the surgery. He is up to 20 minute walks and so far doing well. The most difficult part is the first two weeks. Hang in there! Everything will be fine.
Good luck to you both. It is an extremely stressful time for both you and your dog. The healing process is daunting. It is so very difficult to keep an active young dog from doing to much, to soon. I pray a lot that all of Hanna's new hardware will hold. We are 2 1/2 weeks post op and she's doing very well but there is still lots of stress, I think there always will be.
The one I found is called the Comfy Cone by All Four Paws. I found it at Petco. It didn't cause a panic response in Hanna when I put it on her the way the terrible hard plastic one did. It is shorter so she could see over the edges, closes with Velcro, and is soft so it was comfortable for her to lie her head down. She still smacked into things but it didn't cause any damage. It wasn't cheap. I bought a large (though I needed an extra large-they didn't have one) and I believe it was $37 but well worth the money and God forbid, I have it should she need surgery in the future.
Any particular soft e-collar you recommend? I know, I've had experiences with the plastic e-collar and they are awful for us and the dog. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!
My lab/pitt mix, Whitney, is having TPLO surgery on Tuesday. I am worried sick about her. She is not quite 2 years old and wide open. I have read way too much online...some good and some bad. Of course, the bad stuff really sticks with me. I don't feel like I have any other choice than to go with it though. She is barely putting any weight on her leg and that breaks my heart.
My biggest concern is her post surgery confinement. I also have an 8 year old boston and a 1 year old dachshund. The boston will not be a probem...he is the most laid back dog I've ever owned...but the dachshund and Whitney are inseparable. The dachshund will not understand why Whitney can't play. I guess I will take turns letting them out of their kennels???? I just don't know.
Please keep Whitney in your thoughts and prayers...I'm sure she will be fine...I on the other hand, may have a nervous breakdown. :(
That is a beautiful poem! Thank you for sharing!
I hate the thought of people believing that our pets are somehow disposable. I can't even begin to understand anyone who could think that way. Have your family members read a poem called "Just A Dog" then maybe they would understand that they are worth any amount of money. http://www.dogsinyc.us/JustADog.html.
Tracey,
First of all, I know what you mean about people saying you shouldn't spend the money. I had a friend tell me that a bullet costs $1 when he found out how much I spent on my dog's surgery. Ignore those non dog lover's. Your dog is well worth the money! I can't be of much help with the vets in your area, but I can tell you that my story is similar to yours. I went to 3 vets for opinions. I live in Houston, TX. They all informed me to go to Texas A&M University for surgery. It is a teaching hospital/school so it is less expensive. Also, they spent so much time explaining things to me, etc. A vet did the surgery with a student assisting. I paid $3100 for my 130 german shepherd. The vet told me if I would have had the surgery done in Houston, it would have cost me at least $5,000. The 4th year vet student in charge of my dog called me at least 3 times a day to inform me on how he was doing. They were absolutely awesome! I don't know if you have a vet teaching university near you, but if so it is worth looking into.
I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience good or bad with the VCA Sacramento Surgical Center or they are also called (on the internet) VCA Sacramento Veterinary Referral Center? The doctors that perform the TPLO there are Drs. Runyon and Valverde. I keep thinking that I have heard not such good things about VCA but have absolutely no idea where I heard it from! I'm also looking at Dr. Robert Richardson in Sacramento that was referred by a friend of a breeder who is suppose to be really good. I'm inclined to go with a surgeon that even a friend of a friend of a friend has used and had good results even if it costs a bit more. For all that have read my previous comments I have made numerous calls outside of the bay area and have found it to be a lot less than the $4,500 - $5,000 they wanted in Concord. In Sacramento it seems to run between $3,600 - $3,800, well worth the drive if you ask me. And those prices are for everything....like an all inclusive type deal. Everyones comments have helped ease my mind quite a bit and am hoping to get this done in the next few weeks. It hurts me to see my sweet Sebastian (yellow lab) just lay around, only to go outside and go potty. It's terrible but I've actually had non pet loving family members tell me that I should put him down. One of those people was my very own mother. I almost started crying! Funny how if you've never loved or been loved by dog, and I say dog only because I am partial to them, you just don't understand. I would spend whatever I possibly could to have him run happy and free. Of course I think I have the best and most beautiful yellow lab in the whole world, he means the world to us! Of course his chocolate lab brother is another story :) he's a maniac on wheels but we love him just the same. We also have 2 little beagle girls that are precious but I have to say, Labs rock! Let me know if anyone has had experience with the above mentioned surgeons, that would be great. Thanks soo much!
Well, we just had TPLO on my female pit 2 days ago at Brentwood Pet Clinic with Dr Olds. Highly recommended and a very experienced surgeon who does these very frequently. 2 days post op, my girl is doing very very well. Price was about 3600, but this is around LA (not near Concord). Hope this helps.
Tracey, I went with PetPlan. After I received the check from them for this last event, they called to see how Alice was doing - and were great to work with. I would definitely recommend them. A previous pet insurance plan several years ago when we had our Siberian Husky, was a big disappointment, and made me hesitant to try again, but one TPLO made me reconsider. PetPlan is working just fine for us.
Good luck.
Patricia....forgot to ask you, what kind of insurance do you have? I've heard good things and bad things about the different pet insurances. Would love to get some input on that as well. Thanks!
Patricia,
Thanks soo much for the information. I actually called them today and was quoted $3,700 - $3,900 which is a lot better than the other estimate I got. I also went to the website that makes the TPLO plate and they have a long list of certified doctors that have been trained in TPLO surgery. I found a hospital in Modesto, it's called Maze Vet Hospital that does it and there price is $2,900 - 3,500 which is very good. They have a surgeon that comes from Davis to do it and if I am correct the doctor that does it also teaches at UC Davis. Have to do a little more research tomorrow before we make up our mind. The responses and information I've gotten on here have been great, this is a great blog. It's great to know that others love their pets as much as we do. We have 2 labs and 2 beagles, lots of work but lots of love. We also have 5 sons, the kind with 2 legs, now there not quite so easy, haha! Thanks again!
Tracey,
WOW-we had one ACL repaired in South Carolina and it was about $1500, and now we are in New York and they're charging $2600 (which I thought was ridiculous!) But we did NOT get the TPLO done, we just had the synthetic ligament put in. When we got the surgery in SC, that was the only option they gave us (I had never even heard of TPLO.) Now that we're in NY and had to get the other done we were presented with both options and went with the same one we did the first time. I have a 1 year old yellow lab and her leg that was done in January is doing VERY well. She is also a large lab too (82 lbs and still growing.) Just a thought-you may want to get prices on the regular repair-I know I would certainly recommend it. And the way the vet explained it to me is that a Lab is the size dog that can really work well with either surgery-it's not like they NEED to have the TPLO to live a normal active life.
We had our TPLO surgery - which also included torn ligaments - done at PetCare in Santa Rosa, CA. It cost just about $3,800, including follow-up and x-rays, day boarding when I dropped her off before work for her checkup, etc. Still expensive, but not nearly as much as you are being quoted. Our doctor was a very good and experienced TPLO surgeon, and Alice is doing well at about 8 months post-surgery. I am sure you can do it for less. After the injury, I decided to get pet insurance for the future, in case anything else serious went wrong, because they say there is a high chance the other knee will go out at some point. The insurance would kick in after one year has passed from this surgery. In the meantime, Alice just had a throat problem, total cost $900+, and the insurance paid me back $632!
Good luck.
Yikes that is ridicules. I would call your vet and see if they can recommend anyone and also just google orthopedics vets in your area and start price shopping. I live in Florida and mine was $2,800. Good luck
We are looking at TPLO surgery for our 2 year old lab at a cost of $4,534.00 to $4,933.00 here at the VSA Hospital in Concord, CA. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find a certified specialist in TPLO for less than that? $5,000 grand, YIKS!.........
psr,
My one year old lab just underwent her second ACL surgery and we have definitely had our hands full trying to keep her inactive-after all, she is a lab! She really enjoys our screened in porch so we sectioned off a corner for her to stay in most of the day. We really only put her in the crate at night and if we can tell she's really tired and can't get comfortable on the porch. I'm just praying that 6 weeks goes by VERY quickly! After the first surgery I have lightened up a little bit about letting her walk around without total fear she will ruin the surgery. She just has so much energy, I know if we don't let her get some of it out constructively (slow walking) she will go off the wall and run full speed the first chance she gets. One thing I try to do is give her treats that will keep her occupied for awhile. I really like the Kong toy and found new ideas online for what you can stuff it with. Bailey also really like compressed rawhide bones which keep her busy for long periods of time. Sometimes I freeze treats in an empty yogurt dish with water and when it sets I run it under hot water to get it out-it ends up making a large ice cube with a treat in it. She LOVES it, especially on hot days. Hope these ideas help you keep your pup calm!
We came home with enough Carprofen to last 10-14 days and a pain med which I only gave for the first 3 days because it seemed to make her feel worse. I too have lessened the amount over time.
Hanna started walking on her leg right away and has increased the amount of weight as time has passed. We are on day 10 post-op. She does a funny little turn out on it as she walks though. That concerns me a bit but we go tomorrow for suture removal so I can check how she's doing then. Good luck.
We started weening our dog of the pain meds at 5 days but continued her on some so she could get used to the leg. They only sent us home with enough for the first week or so but since we kept lowering the dose it lasted. Our baby had a major infection and we ended up with 300$ worth of tests and medications...on top of the $3000 surgery and stuff. I hope the pain meds work for you...we also kept her pretty sedate for about 3 weeks just enough that she could lay around and heal...she is doing great at 10 weeks she is 90% healed...:-)
Carbide is 11 days after surgery. We gave him the prescribed rimadyl and Tramadol for 7 days. He seemed to improve for a couple of days and then became very cautious about his leg and carried it everywhere. Previously he has put weight on it. I became very concerned and took him back to the vet where the surgery was done. They said he seemed fine except for his pain. They prescribed another 2 weeks of the above meds saying that the initial seven days just was not enough. I am upset that we were not informed about this likelihood and am out an additional $300 for care and meds that should have been included in the $3000 surgical fee. How many days of pain meds are included with surgery for your dog? Do they tell you are likely to need another two weeks of pain meds???
I found that our chow, Sassy, was easier to control till her staples came out when I always kept her with me with a lease on her collar. She did not feel so neglected and she is such a "baby" about not being with Mommy when she is not feeling well. We have the luxury of being retired so we pretty much stayed with her the entire time she was healing pre staple removal. Then just 2 days after the staples were removed to make sure she did not lick or bite and cause an infection. She never had bandages. E collar was a joke. We got a soft neck brace and that eliminated the licking and chewing. She is 8 weeks out now and doing quite well. Goes Wednesday for follow-up x-rays and then I will know how much more she can do on her own. We are on the down hill side of this now. But glad we had it done. She was really suffering and I could not let it continue. Thanks to all who have posted about various trials and progress. Really helped!
Hi,
I only kept my dog in the crate when i went to work and when i was home i have a pet yard gate that moves so i could position it anyway i wanted it, so she was in a small area in my bedroom and i put a dog bed in there with a comforter and she did great.
We did the same thing. We spread blankets and a large pillow on a carpeted room downstairs and just gated it off. He did very well.
We did not keep our doggy 65lb lab in the kennel except when she was alone. We let her roam the living room and stuff with carpet but she wasn't allowed to just run around and play. We have pillows and carpet for her and most of the time she would just get up and walk to the next bed. We did have the other rooms blocked off but she was much happier than always being kenneled.
Good luck to you and your little one!
My dog had ACL and subluxating patella surgery both 11 days ago. She is a 14 lb Peek-a-poo. We did pretty good on the confinement for the first 7 days and then have let her have to much out of kennel time in the last 4 days. She hasn't injured the other leg and she still has her bandages which is very splint like on the repaired leg which has helped. I have put her in her kennel after reading more stories on the internet for fear of re-injury or injury of other leg. She is feeling so good that she just is crying to get out. We get staples out and bandage off in three days. Has anyone else had the problem of their pet wanting to be too active during recovery time?
Is it your dog that tore both ACLs? If so, will they be doing both legs at the same time?
It has now been 6 days since Hanna's surgery and she did start walking on her leg pretty much from the start but I wouldn't say that she is putting much weight on it just yet. It's actually getting difficult for us now to keep her from doing things she shouldn't be doing, like jumping up on the gate that we've been using to try and keep her confined. It's hard to keep a good dog down. One thing I would recommend to everyone is to buy a soft e-collar for your dog. The hard cone they gave us sent her into a total panic, which with a newly operated on leg was not good. Not to mention all the wall damage they cause slamming into everything. I have some painting to do when this is all over.
We are going with TPLO. Doc says let her walk 2 days after. Infection is the major concern.Its expensive but the best in my book and I trust the surgeon. Trust me Scooby will help you recover more than you will help her,Best of Luck.
Trust me I have a lab and she isn't still for long either but when they are recovering it really isn't that hard. Our best friend was a kennel and TLC and we are on week 10 I think and she is doing GREAT!!! Good luck with your baby...Amanda
Our beagle, Sccoby, was just diagnosed with a torn acl. It is awful to watch him limp around, especially trying to go up and down the stairs. My husband has been trying to carry him as much as possible. He is a bit chubby (40lb) I know, I know....it seems as if surgery is the answer, however, I'm concerned about the recovery. Beagles don't stay still. Any thoughts?
I know how hard the first few days can be. I hardly slept even though my chow, Sassy, did. She is 5 weeks out now. Doing quite well. You might call your doc and see about a different oral pain med. Sassy did well on Deramaxx and it not only helps with the pain but the swelling too. And her swelling really was prominent from day 2 through about day 5. The pain patch disturbed her digestive system in that it slowed down her system so that she did not poop for 5 days, I was beginning to worry, but soon as the patch came off, we were back in good shape. Sassy always got cottage cheese or crackers or biscuits with her oral pain med.
Good luck.
John,
As I write this I am looking at the referral for PVSEC in Pittsburgh. It seems as though my 5 year old male lab, 80 lbs, has torn his ACL. He is very healthy and is used to alot of hiking time in the Allegheny mts. I was relieved to hear you had your dog at the PVSEC. Any information you can give me will be appreciated. I believe I will be calling them on Monday. I am currently out of work, so I can be with him 24/ 7. Also, do they have a payment plan?
I am so glad I found this site. My 5 1/2 yr old chocolate lab, Oscar, has apparently torn his ACL 3 days ago. When our vet examined him, she recommended a board certified surgeon in the area to referred him to if we decided to go that route. She also, said sometimes with meds it can mend. Since we are giving it the weekend to make the next decision, I have been searching for answers and suggestions. I love the support and compassion from these remarks. It looks like tommorrow, I will be making a call to the surgeon for an intial visit. Any help in what to look for or ask I will appreciate. Thank you to all who are commenting. I know this will be a difficult journey. I am just wanting the best for my boy. He's our family, and we love him.
My 3 year old, 115 lb Newfoundland Hanna just had her TPLO surgery 2 days ago. It has been very stressful for me because though we own 2 Newfs, both of which I adore, Hanna is my love and to watch her go through all this pain is killing me. It's nice to know there is as end in sight. I think one of the things that is bothering her more than her leg is the pain medication. It seems to really upset her stomach. She has a patch and pills so I discontinued the pills for now and she seems to be far more comfortable and has actually slept most of the day. Last night (her first night home) didn't go very well. I am really looking forward to having her back the way she use to be.
I have a 10 yr old cocker who had ACL surgery with the fishing linge 4 months ago. She recently tore her other ACL, although I don't think this one is quite as bad, we are scheduled to have surgery on Monday. She is a small cocker, so that is why we opted for the fishing line surgery. She did great after that one - healed really quick. I have been having a hard time deciding on doing the surgery again, just because she does not seem to be limping badly, like the other leg. I know in the long run if I don't do surgery, she eventually will tear it worse than it is now. Any suggestions?
Hi,
I have done a lot of research and asked a lot of questions to my surgeon. If i had a small dog i would defintally do the tightrope but since my dog is 70lbs and she is very active i went with the TPLO. Good luck and know this is a hard decision but my dog is three months into recovery and doing wonderful !!
Our dog tore both acl's two weeks apart. The first leg had tplo procedure and the second had tightrope. The tightrope leg took longer to recover fully however a year later, he is doing great. I thought the second surgery would be very hard on the first leg but the dog seemed to know his limits. I personnally think the tplo surgery is more stable but definitely more expensive. I think maybe our dog did better because the first leg was so stable and that made it easier for the second procedure. Good luck!
Ziggy tore both ACL's and is awaitng our decision. Anyone with experience in the tightrope procedure in lieu of tplo.Seems rather evasive seeing how she doesnt have one good leg to stand on.
Tricia,
I have a 130 pound GSD that is 2 weeks today post op. I know what you mean about the bruising. It is scary. When I first saw my dog after surgery, I was scared to death. He was very bruised and had lots of fluid on his ankle. It went away in time. I promise it will get better.
Hi,
My dog is a lab and chow mix and she is in three months of recovery and she is doing great !! I know the surgery is a long road but i am so happy i did it !! Alexia is almost back to her normal self before her injury. !! Hang in there everyone it is worth it !!
I love the name carbide for a black lab. You will make it through. Our black lab Lilly is now 8 weeks out and things are much easier I assure you. Good Luck with the journey! Come here for anything it is great :-)
Lynnette,
Thank you for this article. Our 70lb lab/boxer mix Stellar recently tore his ACL. 2 vets recommended TPLO surgery and I was naturally wary and curious. Your article provide a lot of good information.
Thank you,
John and Kristin
Carbide is our 2.5 year old 75 lb. black lab full breed. He is a consummate ball chaser and we love him dearly. He is having TPLO surgery as I write this on July 21. Thanks to all of you who are writing in because it helps me understand what to look for and to help Carbide avoid complications.
HI Michael,
How is your boxer doing? I have a boxer and we are at the 3 week point. he lifts his leg also, but he was doing this a month before surgery due to the injury. I guess it is expected after surgery. He lifts it on and off while standing. Some days he limps. Is your boxer limping?? When I take him on his walks he is fine. When he gets up from resting I notice a limp. Do you hear clicking from time to time? If so, our surgeon said it is normal. We had the tta surgery, not the tplo. We might have to get the other leg done too. The first night was bad. Once he got use to wearing the e-collar he was fine. Please keep me posted.
I am so sorry to hear your sad news. It is always a hard decision - but one that often has to be made. Enjoy the time she has left!
I have a 12 year old Red Heeler about 60lbs. She torn one acl over a year ago. We didnt do the surgery, just meds, rest. She was doing fairly well. We moved a few weeks ago and she got deathly ill. Took her to the vet and she has liver disease.Also found out her other acl is torn as well. There is no way the surgery could be done because of her age and health. I just have to make sure she is comfortable on her meds and special food for her liver. She uses a ramp to go outside to go to the bathroom and then comes back in the house right after. If she was a younger dog, I would have had the surgery but shes not. She still has a good attitude and I am enjoying being with her. But when she isn't happy anymore or in alot of pain, I will have to make some decisions for her sake. She is a great member of the family.
This will indeed be a hard decision. Is your dog in good health otherwise? I would consider the cheaper option as well. What does your vet suggest?
Jimmy, that is a tough decision and one I hope I never have to make. I guess you need to look at his overall health and activity. If he's not real active maybe he could get by with the less expensive "fishing line" method. Talk it over with your vet and possibly get another opinion as well. When Mikie (4 yrs old) tore his I told the vet whatever it takes lets get it done now. It just hurt me to see him on 3 legs. The way I feel about him if he was 12 I would do the same thing.
I have a 12 year old lab mix with a torn acl. The problem is should I put him through the surgery? He is getting up in the years and I just am not sure when it is to late or the dog is to old. Please help...
My chow chow had tplo surgery on the 12th of June. I was surprised too by the bruises and swelling but it is normal. Takes a few days for it to begin to subside. A chillow (like an ice pack) is nice to help relieve the discomfort and swelling. My daughter works at the specialty clinic where our Sassy had the surgery. Daughter and dog are doing great. Patience is the clue.
Tricia, Mikie our Catahoula mix went through the same thing. Bad bruising and swelling. Consider what is involved in the surgery and it can be expected. Make sure she gets her meds as prescribed and keep her cooped up when you're not there with her. When we were at home we let Mikie roam the house but he usually laid around. It's been 6 months since his surgery and he's back to full speed and you would never know he had the surgery. It just requires patience and dedication on your part for a few months.
Hi Tricia,
My dog also had the surgery 3 days ago. I was expecting significant bruising and swelling, after hearing that it is very common. My dog, fortunately, has no swelling at all, and minor bruising. Did your dog get staples or stiches? I am not sure if this makes a difference at all, but am just guessing. It could be that your dog's size made moving her around while she was anesthesized a bit difficult. I believe that what you are describing is pretty common, but if you are too anxious about it, can you call your vet to confirm? Best wishes to you! It's a bit of work keeping my dog comfortable with the cone--she just hates it, but chews her bandages if I take it off. Fun stuff, but definitely worth it, right?!!
Our Golden Retriever was really bruised too - his leg was purple too. It lasted like this for about a week and then continued to improve - so be patient! Good luck!
Don't panic - It does get really red/purple and swollen especially the ankle area. In a few days that will go down a lot! Read as much as you can and look at pics on here you will see that you are on a normal tract. It is very scary the first week or so in - we have a 3 year old black lab and she was the same way. I was terrified of the bruising but the pictures here and other sites really helped. Good Thoughts to you and your yellow lab baby.
I have a 3 year old, VERY active yellow lab who recently tore her ACL. I had the surgery done over the weekend and now we are on the 3rd day of recovery. She weighs 75 pounds so the TPLO procedure was strongly recommended. Did anyone notice their dog's leg being extremely swollen and bruised? Obviously, some bruising is inevitable but her leg is purple, with the bruises going down to her ankle and some onto her upper thigh. Did anyone have a similar experience? The vet said it would get worse before it got better but this seems pretty bad!! Am I over-reacting?
My dog, Alice, wouldn't use her leg for a long time after surgery. She was a three legged dog for several weeks, but is just fine now. Just be patient, they know when it is time to walk on it. That's when we have to watch them! The first few weeks are very difficult for us, but I do not regret having the surgery done.
Thank you, Amanda! Staph infections are very scary; I do hope Lily is all better very soon. I am unsure if staph infections for dogs are the same as for humans (same strain of viruses), but am assuming they are. I am sure the vet increased the antibiotics? Did he or she increase the dosage or change to a stronger medication? Boy, a lot of issues to attend to! Best wishes for a fast recovery!! Is she doing better?
Hi Michael,
My dog did the exact same thing. I am about 4 weeks after surgery. She did it a lot the first two weeks but now she is doing it less and less and using the leg more. She still favors it but the vet said this is completely normal. Good luck and I keep everyone in my thoughts that are going thru this.
Our Boxer, Teya, had the TPLO surgery 4 weeks ago. At first we wondered whether or not we did the right thing..... she was a mess! However, after a few tense weeks of trying to prevent a dog from being a dog, she is walking around great, even trying to run (we have to continually stop her). While standing still, she often holds the leg in the air, but we are told that this is normal and will decrease as she continues to heal. To all those out there who are about to go through this, be prepared, it is rough, but in the end we believe it was the best choice for our dog. She is almost back to her old self!
Michael, oh thank you SO much for writing!! I am so very glad to read about your dog's success (was it Mikkie?). My/Lucy's vet is recommending laser therapy; he says it really facilitates the healing process. I don't know how much this costs (HA--what am I saying?!!), but if not too much, I may have it done. I am really ready to "batten down the hatches" and get this going. Lucy Lab goes this Friday, and I pick her up Saturday. I may be starting a new job in a few weeks, so I think the timing is going to be perfect!
Thanks to you, and all the others who have responded to my pleas of angst!
Janet
Janet, you won't regret it. It's been almost 6 months since Mikie had his surgery. The rehab period looked like forever when we started, but to see him now you would never know he had it. It just takes time, patience and support. When we weren't home we kept Mikie in a large wire kennel in one of our back rooms, and after a couple of weeks we basically let him have the run of the house when we were home. He adapted well to that as well as the cone, which he only wore when he was in the kennel. If it's available I would definitely recommend professional rehab. Three months after surgery Mikie started walking on an underwater treadmill, twice a day, 3 times a week. It really helped to restore the muscle in the repaired leg. After 3 weeks he was going two 45 minutes sessions at about 3-4 mph.
So have a positive outlook and think about the future.
Thank you, again. Reading yours and other comments are really helping build my confidence level. Ironically, my dad is a vet (although long retired), I work in health care, and my boyfriend is a doc. I feel comfortable around medical interventions, even my own ACL repair a few years ago. I just love Lucy (ha) so much; she is really my best friend! She has the funniest, goofy personality, that makes me laugh almost every day. Her tail is always wagging, and everyone comments that she is very happy and sweet. She is my furry soulmate!
Hi Janet,
Trust me i cried when i dropped her off but i believe it was the only way for her to do the activities with me like run on the beach and go to the dog park. I know it is hard but if you need any advice please let me know since i am a month into her recovery. Like i said before or i think i did ask the vet for a soft cone and i crate her when i go to work then i put her in the pet yard that i got at petsmart and those both things have been a lifesaver for me. Good luck and i will say a little prayer for your dogs surgery.
That is the best thing you can do is think about how wonderful it is going to be when she is all better. Each and every day I think about that. The first little bit is the scariest...it gets easier.
Our Lilly =black lab has a staph infection and that is freaking me OUT! I would just say keep reading these boards and know what to look for.
Good luck and Godspeed!!!
Hi Sheri,
After reading all I can about the TPLO (pros, cons, etc.), I decided to go ahead and get it done for my black lab, Lucy. The doc did say that nothing else would really work. We are very active together--I take her on long hikes up mountains and snowshoeing. She LOVES these activities. I have no confidence that she would recover to the point of being able to do these again without surgery. I would be too nervous she would hurt herself again. She will have the surgery this Friday, and I am almost physically ill (I'm a wuss) thinking about all she will have to endure to get better! I just keep visualizing her running in the mountains again as our ultimate goal!
Well, it's 3 months since Dixie, our Cane Corso, had her operation. Details below.
She is doing really well, and all remaining well, we won't be seeing the vet again. She has been given the all clear to resume most normal activities, but with common sense.
I took her for a long walk the other day and let her off the leash. There were no issues at the time but she was stiff a few hours later. Will need to watch for this.
We were advised to build her up some more before she's allowed to 'wrestle' with other dogs, and to not let her take part in high risk activities such as jumping for frisbies and balls.
All in all, a very successful surgery and 3 month recovery period.
Well Lilly's leg is doing well with stability BUT she has a bad staph infection. The meds they gave us last week cannot touch this strain so now we are on a med that can take care of it. I think we are lucky we caught the infection early so that it didn't get into her joint and plates. Poor thing ...makes me scared to even think about infection. Anyways, just a check in on Lilly. Praying for all of you going through this...please pray for us as well.
Hi Janet,
The surgery per my surgeon is not an emergency and i waited for about a month to do it since he said he wanted the cartilage to form around there so it is easier for him to do the surgery so it sure does not hurt to restrict activity and see what happens. I know it is such a hard decision since we are our animals voices and advocates. When the surgeon did the test you mentioned my dogs leg was gliding back and forth. Good luck and hope your dog does well with whatever your decision is. Alexia is coming along but it definitely is a long road to recovery and if you do the surgery ask the vet for a soft collar it was a lifesaver.
Our dog had two acl surgeries - two weeks apart. Our regular vet did the TPLO but the second time (when he tore the other acl) our vet was away and the other vet preferred the "fishnet" procedure. It did take longer for the second leg to improve and a couple of times, we took him back for checkups as we thought the limp would never go away. They told us we had let him walk more than we should have so we went right back to very short walks for awhile and that worked fine. Almost 9 months later, he is running again and no limping at all - I would say it took almost 7 months for a full recovery - but keep things very slow. If I had it to do over again, I would insist on TPLO surgery. It is more expensive but seemed to make the first leg much sturdier. Good luck - I would take my dog in to be rechecked and then you would be sure.
Hi! I am so sad. My 70 pound, 6.5 year old yellow lab had ACL surgery at the begining of February 2009. I noticed her limping about 6 months before, but my conservative vet and I decided to just watch her, restrict activity and Remadyl every once in a while when she appeared in pain. We finally decided to do the "fishing line" procedure and she is still limping. I have two small kids so my rehab schedule was HORRIBLE with the short walks. I did not do my part. I've been easing her into excercise lightly later than the 12 week recommended wait time from my vet and she is completely lame when we return home. Arthritis is a big factor in that leg from the x-rays. I am wondering if it is that, or was the leg re-injured. She did get out and run loose a couple of times during her "restricted activity" time. I swear I'm the WORST mom the the BEST dog ever! :( Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you. :)
Laurel
Thank you for your response, Sheri. The vet said (when he sedated and manipulated her leg) that he could hear it popping. Gosh, this is such a difficult decision! I am beginning to lean towards seeing if activity restriction will be best. Maybe for a month or so, see how she fares, and then reassess. I will likely vacilate in the coming days! Argh!! Thanks, again!
Hi Janet,
Does the vet know for sure it is ruptured or is the vet just think that is the problem? I would suggest restricting your dogs activity and see what happens. I read in many post if it is not that bad and not completely ruptured it can heal itself in time unfortunately my dog jumped in my SUV and ruptured hers right in front of me so i had no choice with surgery. Good luck
My black lab seems to have signficant arthritis in her right knee (seen on xray). We were hiking and she began to limp, and is still doing so. The vet thinks she has been having small tears in the ACL for awhile, and has recommended surgery. I am so worried about what to do. I've read that this might heal on its own with restricted activity, and improved nutrition. I hate to put her through surgery (she's 6 years old, and in great health). But I had ACL myself and it was not that bad. A lot of rehab was the worse part of it. After reading all of your feedback, I think I will opt for the surgery. EEEKKKK!!!
Pet Yard Containment Pen @ PetSmart
has been a lifesaver for me. I don't keep my dog in there when i am not home i put her in her crate but when i am home she is in there and she is fine and comfortable.
If your dog has a hard plastic collar ask the vet if they have the soft one !! They just have to measure to make sure she gets a long enough one. I have a 65lb lab and chow and hers was E-Collar 9.5" soft. It was awesome and she did wonderful with it.
Hi,
My dog just had it three weeks ago and yes it has been a rough one and i too cannot wait till 4 months !! I am glad i made the choice to have it because she was in pain . Good luck to your and your dog and i feel ya because this has been exhausting !!
Hi,
My dog just had the ACL surgery about three weeks ago. It is a rough surgery and a long recoup but i am glad i did it because she is coming along great and i know she will have a better quality of life. Since you just got laid off tell the surgeon your situation and ask for a break on the price all they can say is no so it does not hurt to ask. The best advice i can give you is too buy a Pet Yard Containment Pen at PetSmart it was one of the best investments i made so she did not have to be in her crate 24 hours and she is still confined and safe. Listen to the surgeon's instructions and keep your dog confined and follow whatever he tells you to do. I have called the surgeon twice now to ask him questions and to make sure things i am seeing with her are normal which they are. Good luck to you and your dog and hope your dog has a successful surgery.
Our 3 year old black lab had surgery on May 29th, 2009 and we are in day 5. It is very scary to read some of the things online but this site has been very helpful. We wish you and your baby a good recovery. Please keep us in your thoughts as well. It is not easy so far...I cannot wait until she is all healed up in 4-6 months.
Hve just began the ACL journey with our 3 year old Lab Rudy, I hope I have made the right choice having the surgery, he is a great dog, his surgery is in 2 days please wish Rudy and myself goodluck, my husband, is ver supportive but just looks at me when we are told the cost of surgery, of course after 18 years of employment, I just got laid off, but the dog is family so we will just grin and bear the cost and hope Rudy does good
Our 65lb mixed Lab just had TPLO 2 days ago. We are very frustrated having to watch her 24 hours a day as the collar made her go crazy! She is fine as long as it is not near her. I am going to call the vet tomorrow as this staying up all night and all day is not going to work for 8-12 more days before the stitches are removed.
It disturbs me that we might have to do this again for her other knee. I am so afraid that she is going to hurt this one...keeping her down once the sedatives and pain meds are gone is going to be a hard job. Any suggestions?
I am so glad to find this board.
A.Heacker
So glad to hear Alice is improving. I remember running my hand along my dog's side and he would flinch too - it was really weird.
His whole side would move like it hurt! I was worried too but it sounds like your dog is improving too. Good news!
Heather:
Alice is doing so much better. Still a little reaction when petted on the right side, but almost negligible. Thank you for calming me down!
Patricia
Hi Kathy,
I'm just wondering how things worked out with your lab mix? My 11 year old Lab mix just tore her ACL and we're trying to decide whether to have the TPLO surgery or the extracapsular stabilization suture procedure. There's a huge difference in cost so I want to find out how well the procedure you decided on works. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Thank you Heather! I was ready to run off to the vet after work, but I will watch her carefully and see if it goes away. She is running and playing normally, so hopefully she will be fine.
Our dog had surgery about 9 months ago and about 4 months after surgery (he had 2 - both back ACl's 2 weeks apart)he was flinching and scratching as well. We could see some muscles twitching as well. The vet said to continue his regular exercise and about 3 months later it went away. The vet said it could become a problem if the leg continued to twitch but it never did. Hopefully your dog will do the same after regular exercise.
My dog, Alice (almost 8 years old) had her TPLO surgery on her right rear leg on December 3, and has been doing great. All checkups great. This last week suddenly started to have flinching and scratching response, when rubbed along her back and side on her right side. Also can see the muscles twitching in her rear leg.
Any ideas what this might be?
Hi,
My dog just had the ACL operation. I brought at petsmart it is called Cratewear Pet Dreams 3-Piece Bed Set for Crates which she loves and i also got Pet Yard Containment Pen which i put her bed in and when i am home i set it up right next to my bed and she goes in there so she is not crated 24 hours a day but is still confined. I know this whole experience is expensive but i am so glad i brought those two products it has made my life easier.
Dana - I am sorry about your pug - too much happening to her = To date -Gracie is 4 weeks and 4 days since her injury. After about 3 weeks I noticed that one day she just started to put her foot down and walk a couple of steps on it. Last week at 3 weeks and 3 days since injury we saw her regular vet and she walked all over his office on all four feet - even stood up on her hind legs to give them all love - now she did not stay up very long but she did hold all her weight. He was pleased to see this. I did some research on line and found that most advised to wait at least 8 weeks before you make a decision on surgery - it takes some time for the soreness and swelling to subside and for them to get a comfort level in putting that leg down. Gracie still will run on three legs most of the time but she has started to walk slowly on all four feet for ten to fifteen steps. For us we have decided to see what happens - I just do not want to put her thru the surgery if at all possible. Now - our vet said arthritis will set up in that leg but it will set up even if she had the surgery and no one knows how long it will be before that happens. They have medicine she can take and she will not have to take it daily either. I don't know if this helps you with your decision or not - but if I were you I would discuss it further with your doctor before I put her thru another surgery so close to the last one. Our vet said that we really do not have to rush with this - he said that even several months from now if Gracie is not where we want her to be we could decide on surgery then. I am going to be very patient with her, walk her a little every day, and hope we make great progress - that she has a good quality of life and no surgery is needed. Again - I hate that you are having to go thru this - just take a deep breath and do what I did - go online and read some of the websites - From all I have heard we are blessed to have a vet and a surgeon that are not proned to jump into surgery real quick. When this first happened I too panicked but was so glad when our vet said don't make a decision too soon - you will have some choices. Good luck and let me know what you decide.
I have a pug that is 4 years old and weighs 17 pounds. im very concerned about your information saying there is a 85-90 percent chance they can heal themselves. I was wondering since its been 3 weeks if you had any new updates on information. my dog had luxating patella surgery a month and 2 weeks ago and last thursday jumped off something and tore are acl. I cant tell how bad she is hurting but scheduled another surgery for next week. really dont want to jump into something if there is a chance of her healing herself. Please write back im very worried about this.
Vena -
I would trust whatever Dr. Beckman says without hesitation. We just love him and he is so well respected in this field.
Combine that with your vet's own opinion, and you'll have a good second opinion as well.
I think I remember Dr. Beckman saying something like that about smaller dogs and TPLO surgery back when our (very large) dog had his surgery.
I think you're in good hands, and if it were me, I probably wouldn't go through the surgery unless Dr. B recommended it. :-D
Lynette - Our fur baby Gracie - she is a 21 lb cockapoo - six years old- tore her ACL three weeks ago today. We too saw Dr. Sam Beckman with Affiliated. He told us that a study has been done regarding dogs 30 lbs or less and 85-90 percent of the time they heal just as well on their own as they do with the surgery. She is using her leg some but still is holding it up alot. We will see her regular vet on Thursday to evaluate her progress. I was really hoping to not have to put her thru the surgery but want her to have as normal range as possible. I was thrilled to read your postings and know that you are local and used Dr. Beckman - he came highly recommended. Anything useful you could share would be greatly appreciated.
Just back from the vets for Samson- my 6year old labs check up for his TPLO
So far so good- he s doing well and the vet says we can start building his exercise up slowly to normal now because he is nearly completely sound- we're so pleased as he has pulled the arms off us- cant wait to let him off the lead soon again!!!
The total costs were not too bad at £1200 All in- incl all xrays and the post op checks etc- the vet takes euros also as they are in northern ireland
http://www.vetclinic.co.uk/tplo-surgery-tibial-plateau-levelling-osteotomy.html
will keep you posted with his progress but must say the nurses were very helpful and took time to put our mind at ease when samson was at the clinic
Hope he does not do the other one now!!!:grin:
Carol - I was so afraid to crate my Katie. She just had her 2nd TPLO surgery in 3 months. I ended up borrowing a large baby gate from a neighbor. It folds in two places and expands to various lengths on the sides. It has a door in the middle. I made it into a box shape against a window in my family room. She has adjusted really well to it. The area she has is the size of a crate but she doesn't have the lid so I don't think she feels as boxed in... Good luck.
Hello,
My dog Sadie, a 4-year-old Rotty mix just had TPLO surgery 8 days ago for a completely ruptured ligament. She is progressing slowly, but is starting to put her foot down at an angle, like at about 11:00. It is also at that angle when she doesn't have it down and is just dangling it (which she still does if she is just hopping around to change positions or to go in and our of her crate). Has anyone ever seen this? She sees the surgeon on Saturday to get her stitches out and I am HOPING he will say it looks ok. But I already called and the surgical tech I spoke to said she had not seen that before, so that, of course made me more nervous. Thanks so much for all of the posts on here. This is a really anxious time (as you all know) and I have relied heavily on this blog to get through this!
Also, any advice on crate anxiety for my poor pooch would be much appreciated. As predicted, the crate confinement so far has been the hardest part.
Thanks!
Hi Pam! I saw your post. My Sadie (70lb Rotty/Aussie mix) just had TPLO a week ago yesterday. She also has a 120lb sister (a Great Dane). And she ALSO has severe crate anxiety. I gave up trying to crate her at about 8 months old, and now I regret not trying harder. She is doing ok, steadily improving, but I think she is behind a little bit. She has so much anxiety in the crate that I think she us up and moving around much more than she is supposed to. We also don't have grass all that close, so we have to walk a little bit farther than we are supposed to for bathroom breaks. I have her at work with me today (RARE opportunity) and she is totally calm and has been sleeping here at my feet for three hours straight. I wish I could do this every day! Anyway, she does have to take a sedative, and she needs twice what the normal dosage is. YIKES! And the vet said he only wants her on those for another week. When she goes on Saturday to have her stitches out, we are going to talk about other medications for anxiety, possibly doggy prozac, so that she won't go crazy in the crate for another 6.5 weeks. We're having a tough time. My advice is to ask the doc how much medicine you could give her, if she does need it, because it seems you can actually give a bit more than they prescribe. Also, I think once the cone is off, they will probably be better in the crate. I just bought an X-pen and it comes in on Friday, so I am hoping that will help, at least while my roommate and I are home. Trust me, after spending $4K on her surgery, I KNOW it's hard to spend anything else. One way to save money is to ask your local mom and pop pet store to order it for you from their distributers. That will save on the shipping fee, which seems to run about $30. Or you can also look on Craig's list. I saw a bunch here in San Diego but unfortunately, they were too low. Oh, the other thing that seems to settle Sadie a bit are bully sticks. She sometimes chews on them until she falls asleep. They are not too many calories either (have to watch the food intake since they are not exercising). Good luck Pam! The first two days are the hardest. We're only on day 8 but I can tell you that it does get easier. I can't wait till week 8! Having a countdown!
My german pointer tore her acl 2 months ago, she goes into surgery tomorrow.. needless to say im terrified. this website has helped calm my nerves and also given me a lot of usefull tips to get her back to normal and have a succesfull recovery
My eight year old, 118lb yellow lab just completely tore her ACL last night and is at the vet having x-rays as I type this, Thanks for the feedback on managing your dogs after surgery. I am trying to figure out how we are going to keep her entertained and calm after she has her surgery. I had not thought about the excitement factor of people coming to the door, I am also concerned about keeping her calm with her 120lb brother, She has never been kenneled and is one of the neediest dogs that I have ever seen. Any suggestions?
An update on Mikie our Catahoula mix. He is progressing well from his Dec 19th TPLO surgery, although sometimes he still favors his leg. The past 1 1/2 weeks he has been going to therapy where he walks on a treadmill in a tank of water twice a day, 3 days per week. He also runs in the evening with my wife. The primary reason we put him in therapy was to help speed the restoration of the muscle mass in his leg. And other than the fact he wants to get back to racing his buds next door up and down the fence line (which we will do our best to prohibit) all is going well. We do have him on Dasuquin for his knee and if he appears to hurt alittle after his therapy he has Rimadyl. We've spent more money on this "pound puppy" than we've ever spent on all the other dogs we've ever owned combined, but he's more than worth it. He's just a big ol' 85 lb sweetheart.
A follow-up on my original post: After doing a lot of research on options for my 52 lb lab mix, I decided on the lateral stabilization instead of the TPLO. Since the cost of both surgeries is very expensive in the Seattle area (where I live), I broadened my search area. It took time, but was well worth it- I found a wonderful and well regarded Vet who has been in practice for thirty five years in a small town, and only a three hour drive from my home. The cost was about half what I would have paid in the Seattle area, and the savings has enabled me to take Lucky to a rehab clinic to help monitor his progress. He just had his stitches removed, and is on his way to recovery. I am hoping to have him back in shape by summer, so that he can accompany me on my hikes and backpacking trips.
Thanks for taking the time to write the article.
I just got home from our vet with Dixie, our Cane Corso, who has just had TPLO surgery. The total cost was a few dollars short of $2,300.
She also had torn cartiledge in there which was removed. Our vet, Dr B, who specialises in this surgery and hs performed it on his own Great Dane said it was very common.
Dixie is also on Glucosomene - bulk bought over the internet to keep the price down - as she also has hip displacia. Dr B confirmed that it was fine to keep her on these whilst she is on her other medication.
In regards to the potential for tearing the other ACL, the stat I was given by Dr B was 50% - tying in with what you had heard also.
She'll be back at the vet in 2 weeks for a check up and then again at 12 weeks. In between, we are to medicate her as told, ice the area when it's comfortable for her, keep her as immobile as possible (she was straining at the leash as the vets assistant brought her out!). I have an exercise routine to start in a few days for her knee - basic bicycle movements to work the joint.
That's really it - keep the weight down, leashed at all times when outside and avoid interaction with other dogs were some other instructions.
One thing to mention that Dr B said - not to worry if her ankle swells in a few days. If the whole leg does, that's a different matter though.
So we're just starting out on the recovery and rehab - wish us luck!
HI,
Thanks for taking the time to post all this information on TPLO surgery. Our Lab X Great Pyrenees was just diagnosed with an ACL injury.
Your site has helped me with the decision to have the surgery. I am most concerned about recovery time because he doesn't do well in small spaces. I'd welcome any ideas/advise etc.
I do trust the vet that has suggested more surgery and have had another opinion as well. If his muscle does not improve, that part of the leg may eventually atropy and arthritis will probably set in - as another responder has mentioned in another reply. Walking is not enough and we did not live in a climate where he can swim unfortunately. Both vets have told us that the long term outcome is what we should think about. I have full confidence in the surgeon but it is a very hard decision.
Hi Heather I think you answered your own question when you wrote...(I hate to put our dog through another surgery, especially since he seems fine right now.) As long as your dog is doing fine why do anymore surgery? If my surgeon gave the reason to do a TPLO when my dog seemed fine other than muscles I would never go back to him. Therapy would be something to try to strengthen the leg and walking more when allowed. Our girl had TightRope surgery 3 weeks ago. She is only allowed up 30 min a day until her 2 month check-up. We will be taking her for therapy sometime after that. Three months is just getting started to build up muscle again but I don't have to tell you that as you've been through the routine with the TPLO. Good Luck Mona
Our Golden's first leg was repaired with TPLO surgery. With his second, the regular vet was away and because it was only two weeks after the first it needed to be done right away so as not to put too much pressure on the first leg. The second vet favoured the tightrope procedure and even though he seems to be doing well after 3 months our regular vet thinks the muscle is not building in the second leg and he is willing to redo it at no cost as a TPLO surgery. I hate to put our dog through another surgery, especially since he seems fine right now. Any comments?
Our girl, Sophie (an 80 lb. Plott Hound/AmStaff mix), had TPLO surgery 8 years ago, and then the other knee a year after that. After her surgery we kept her in an Exercise Pen (like a large wire playpen!) so she could get up and move around, be wherever we were, and her baby brother could get in with her (when we were home). We restricted her activity (no climbing on the couch, no running, and no boxing matches with baby bro) for 5 weeks. When we were at work, she was in our bedroom with the door closed in her x-pen; her brother was kept in the bedroom but not in the pen. She hasn't had one problem with either leg, and she runs, digs, and chases her (now) 2 younger brothers around our yard like they're on a racetrack! My friend had the "fishing-line" surgery on her boy and has had one problem after another and he still limps from time to time, and has developed arthritis in his knee. TPLO was expensive, but we haven't had her back to the surgeon at all, and my friend has been back and forth, and using meds, since he had it done several years ago. Our surgeon was willing to put us on a payment program if we couldn't afford to pay at once -- we just opened a credit card specifically for the surgery. You should make sure your surgeon is certified to do the TPLO surgery, having had special training. It's a complicated, precise surgery.
I just stumbled on this site looking for ear infection information -- it's great!
Kathy
Tough decision.For me the choice was easy. The dog was young & I could afford the operation.I would suggest talking to your vet. Welfare of dog has to be prime concern. Is dog fit enough to recover from a major op? Can condition be managed by reduced excercise & medication? Guess if dogs excercise is seriously impaired then operation is a must.
I know this is probably not much help...I do not envy you the decision.
Is there any organisations that can support the opeartion financially?..I believe some dog charities (rescue centres) in UK sometimes do this.
I know this was some time ago for you. I am faced with the same problem. I have a Lab with a torn
ACL. I have already paid $800 for the diagnosis. I'm a single mother with two boys, one is autistic... we so love this dog... he is 9 yrs old.. and I do not know what to do. A basic repair (not a TPLO) would cost almost $2000. I am heartbroken.... what did you do ( or not do ), and are you comfortable with your choice? I am struggling with this issue. Kathy
I had to go to work the day after our Golden had surgery as well. The vet told us that was actually good as he would probably just sleep which is what he did most of the time anyway for the first few days. Otherwise he would have wanted to follow me around - even though it was hard to leave him! We kept him in a carpeted room (hardwood or linoleum is too slippy) and just put a gate up. He was fine and since he wasn't supposed to do stairs (and our house has lots) it was enough to keep him quiet. He came home using his leg and it improved each day. Good luck!
Kim...We were fortunate when Mikie had his surgery as it was just before Christmas so we were home til after New Year's with him. However, since that time, Mikie stays in a large wire kennel we got at PetSmart. He doesn't mind one bit cause when we leave for work we say "Mikie go to bed" and he walks back in the spare room and gets in the kennel. When we are home in the evenings he has the run of the house and usually lays on a rug near us. The important thing is while you are gone you want to keep Jada isolated in a part of the house where if somebody comes to the door he/she won't get excited. Mikie, who is a lab/catahoula mix at 85 lbs, is doing well. He still carries his leg most of the time in the house, but when we walk him on a short leash he uses his leg. It's just a long recovery period. Good luck.
Question on the surgery? our 4 year old dog jada, a lab pit mix is having the TPLO done next week. What did anyone do while they had to work? what were the days following like? anything i should expect? any info would be great because im a nervous wreck!!
Hi Kelly,
For what it's worth, it's been just over 6 month since Tenor's TPLO surgery, and just THIS month is the first time that we've seen no limping whatsoever.
There were times that we thought he was ALWAYS going to have a limp -- it just seemed to always be there; or he would still favor the other leg.
But more walks on the leash seemed to help... or just time, I dunno.
That said, I wouldn't sweat it UNLESS it's a serious limp. If so, then I'd be making a follow-up appointment with the surgeon ASAP with hopes that something could be fixed or improved upon by catching it early.
Otherwise, from our experience a slight limp is normal after surgery -- EVEN when it seemed he was done limping for awhile. Our dog's limp came back. Then went away again.
Hope that helps some.
I had acl reconstructive surgery on our rottweiler, who is almost 2 years old-- she was doing wonderfully until 2 weeks ago-- it has been 3 1/2 months since her surgery-- and now she is limping again on the same leg, I just dont understand. She is on supplements, and her last check up they said her legs were great-- they measured the same size again- any suggestions??
I have 2 dogs, a 9 year old male Dalmatian and a 7 year old, 70 pound, female Rhodesian/Lab mix. My Dal has had TPLO surgeries on both of his rear legs (the 2nd leg was already 50% torn when we did the first operation). My Dal is a velcro dog and has to follow me from room to room. I thought that since he was not overexerting himself that it should be fine - Wrong! He broke 2 of the screws in his plate. I ended up hospitalizing him for 5 weeks while he fully recovered. When he had to have the 2nd one done, I took him immediately from the surgeons to my vet's office to heal in hospital for another 5 week stint. Both of his surgeries ran about $3K each (not including after care hospital stays). My Rhodesian mix just had her left rear leg done 12/30/08, and she also had meniscus damage as well. My surgeon told me that in addition to needing TPLO surgery on her right rear leg, she also has dysplasia in her 2 front elbows and arthritis in her back-poor dear is worse than me. She will remain much quieter than my Dal so she is recovering at home and seems to be doing just fine. In addition to her meds from the surgeon, I have her on Liquidamber for her back arthritis and Dasuquin.
Today, Mikie, our lab and louisiana catahoula leopard mix, had his TPLO surgery. It was recommended by our vet who does not perform that procedure. He said because of Mikie's weight (85 lbs) he would be much better off with TPLO. So we consulted with another vet and he agreed. We will bring Mikie home Monday and start the long rehab road. I have already setup the kennel we used while house training Mikie, got him a new bed and have a short leash. I'm sure this will be hard on Mikie as one of his favorite activities is racing up and down the fence line with his buds next door. In fact that's what he was doing when he tore his ACL last week when we got 6" of snow down here in southeast Louisiana. I think even after his recovery we will have to restrict that as well as his overwhelming desire to keep our 2.5 acres free of birds and squirrels. Fortunately we don't have a stair issue to deal with. More to come after he comes home.
My Bullmastiff (now 3 yr old) has had TPLO on both knees. He also has wobblers!! Cost in UK is slightly more than US. Recovery has been fantastic. First op as an 18mth old was slow but looking back it was before his wobblers was diagnosed. After 2nd op earlier this year he was walking without a limp within 2 weeks & would have been running within a month if we had let him!! Now you would not know he had has had knee problems. He is on anti-inflam's for his wobblers but he free runs without pain & climbs in and out of the car without effort. Prior to this he always struggled to enter the car. He is a big unit weighs about 60Kg and shows no sign of knee problems.
I would recommend the op to any owner of large breed as the quality of life after op far outweighs the pain and discomfort the dog suffers.
PS. I have had an op to repair a torn ACL and know the discomfort!!
Hi Jen....We also go to AVR&EC and are scheduled for our girl to have TPLO surgery in January.We have Dr. Anson and wondered which doctor you had. How is Lager making out now? Any advice you would offer will be appreciated. Thank you Mona
We just had TPLO surgery done on our 11 month old Lab, Lager. His surgery was done 11/06/08 by the wonderful vets at Akron Veterinary Referral and Emergency Center. So far, so good. We have had him crated since that evening, except for quick walks out for his "business". He has started to put a bit of weight down and seems to be feeling okay. We iced his leg for 48 hours and now have started periodic warm compresses, but his swelling is minimal. He seems more bothered by the clipper rash than the surgical site. He will walk on leash for quick outside walks for 4 weeks, then have a follow up visit. If all is well, he will go another 4 weeks on light walks on leash and then another follow up with xrays. After that his walks can increase 'til he is pretty much rahabbed in 4 months or so. We figure Winter is a good time, less temptation to run, hopefully. It will be a chore for the next several months to deal with his recovery time, but it is such a huge monetary investment. I did extensive research on this prior to his procedure, and, so far, feel we made the right decision. We weighed the options of the different procedures and with the others were pretty convinced that he would eventually end up with such arthritis in that stifle joint that we would end up paying more in the long run for medication to keep him comfortable at a later time. That, and anytime the joint is compromised you have to worry about the huge risk of them injuring the opposite side. They will very quickly shift the bulk of their weight to the other leg. The thought of us and him having to go through this a second time is almost nauseating! Talk to your vet and ask questions, plenty of them!
Like I said, we loved Akron, but I have heard great things about Pittsburgh as well. Good Luck!
Heidi -
Yep, all my suggestions regarding post-op care are covered here:
http://dogs.thefuntimesguide.com/2008/07/dog_tplo_recovery.php
Keep us posted on how things go for your dog. Your feedback helps dog owners who will be going through this same thing. :o)
wow, what a small world, i just left the Pittsburgh Vetinary specialist for a consult on my 8 yr old black lab. He tore his acl last friday and our regular vet gave us the decision of the fishing line surgery or recommended PVS for the TPLO. I have been racking my brains on which one to choose, your article has definetely helped, do you have any suggestions on post op care?
My lab tore his ACL and I had the lesser aggressive knee surgery, about 1 year later he tore his other knee, same surgery. He functions very well excepy he has bowed legs now, much more than before and the vet mentioned early signs of hip displacia.. I have him on Nutro Natural Choice with the supplements in hopes of slowing this problem. I have hear about the TPLO surgery but the closest vet is 180 miles away....
In Sseptember our Golden who is 6 tore his right ACL and the vet performed TPLO surgery. Two weeks later he tore the left ACL and the vet on duty at the hospital perferred the rightrope method so that was done. Everything was fine until about a couple of weeks ago when we noticed a clicking in the second leg. He was refraining from putting full weight on it and NOW this week his first leg appears so tender that he is having trouble getting up and down. I am very worried but he goes back to the vet today!
My female Beuaceron,Portia, had TPLO surgery that was performed by PVSC, Pittsburgh, PA, on 10/20/08. This followed the so called fish line surgery that was done in January, 2008. Portia is a big active girl, and at nine I had second thoughts about a second surgery. Yes it is only a week since her surgery, but she is walking, and now has no swelling or even brusing! I see remarkable improvement in a week much better range of motion than she had in months. With the help of my elderly parents, she received heavy icing and suggested rehab for the first four days. All in all, I wish the first surgeon had referred me to the specialist who I obtained through a personal contact. This is definitely the route to go with large active dog. Portia has seven weeks until she regains a moderate amount of activity, but I think she will get there sooner. Don't let you dog suffer; and don't be misguided by a vet who dosen't do TPLO surgery.
My six year old Bullmastiff had been diagnosed with a torn ACL and our vet recommends the TPLO surgery. Me and my husband are very concerned with the outcome and expense. We have read many bad articles related to the surgery and the complications involved. He is not a very active dog and my husband thinks that he may heal on his own. Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Our golden retriever is six and just recently needed two ACL surgeries two weeks apart. The first was TPLO and the second was tightrope. We were really worried about him doing stairs - we live in a high ranch so stairs are required to get in and out anywhere in the house. He is now 5 and 3 weeks post-op and is doing fine. He is up to three ten minutes walks a day. He is not even limping anymore but it is a slow walk because he tends to tire easily. It is a slow recovery but well worth it. Good luck - he is our baby too! The vet told us he was in more pain before the surgery than he would be after and I think she was right.
Hi Pat,
I wouldn't NOT do the surgery just because of stairs. We have a 2-story home and spend most of our time UPstairs (rather than downstairs). That means the dog too.
I was worried at first, but it ended up being no big deal.
We used the "towel method" recommended by the surgeon to get our dog up and down the steps for about 2 days (tops!), then we realized that he managed getting up & down the steps better without it. He never even tapped the bad leg down in the process of going up or down the stairs -- for MONTHS.
Even after he was given full clearance to use that leg normally, he was only gingerly using it to go up & down the stairs at that point. It's as if he very slowly and gradually weaned himself back to using it.
My point: I think that stairs are an issue worth working through. The only difference I can see is the weight of our dogs -- yours is probably much heavier, but I presume it's all relative and he'd be able to support himself just like our dog did on 3 legs.
We have an 8 year old Airedale that is very large -- just were told yesterday that he has torn his ACL. The vets are giving me two weeks to make up my mind how I want to proceed. Of Course this is my baby and him being in pain is rather stressful for all of us. I am not worried about the cost, but am worried if I should put an 8 year old dog through this, when life expectancy isn't probably more than about 12 years. He was my show dog and is used to alot of activity and inreading all of the info on this site I am very concerned about our split level house -- he would have to use stairs no matter what. If this were cancer i would euthanize, because I just couldn't watch him go through that -- but this is repairable -- any words of wisdom from any of you?
Well, our dog Tucker had tplo surgery on his back leg almost 2 weeks ago - he gets the staples out this week. He has been doing wonderfully well and then yesterday he moved the wrong way and the other knee is now torn! We are going to see the surgeon this afternoon. Has anyone had their dog recovering from 2 TPLO's at once? Help! Any suggestions will be appreciated.
My dog tipped the gate leading up seven steps and got up there before I caught him. He seems find this am though so do you think he needs to be seen by the vet. There is no swelling and he is walking on it the same as yesterday.
My dog(lab.86lbs.) needs knee surgery. The surgery will cost $2000.00. Which is a BIG issue with us, we are on a fixed income. What would her life be if we did not do the surgery? Could I give her medicine to help with her pain?
My dog had acl surgery a year and half ago and did well. She was crated for three months, the first six weeks were very restrictive activity. Short leash walks only. Adapted to crate very well. This was very heavily stressed for the recovery of her knee. She blew out her other knee last week and scheduled for surgery Monday...here we go again...my million dollar baby...but she is well worth it. As much as you want them to be released to normal activity, you can't...for her own good and your checkbook. It is very hard on us to think about her being crated but she understands..her sister misses her as a play companion. Restricted activity because they will take off like a speeding bullet after a squirrell or other intruder in the yard or slip on the wood flooring. I could not live the thought of her reinjuring herself due to my selfish negligence.
Hi Heather.
Yes, the bright bright red is what the bruising looks like. To me, it appeared to be more like a burn or a bad scrape at first. But that's the bruising. It looks horrible -- and painful.
As far as confining our dog, we didn't keep him confined for very long. But that's mostly because he just lays beside us anyway (and we both work at home), so there was no need to.
The one thing I would caution you about... if you let Tucker roam in the house, make sure to block the stairs in these early days. As long as you can see him from where you are, then there's not as much a need to confine him -- UNLESS he gets too rowdy when not confined. (Our dog didn't. He remained pretty low-key for about 2 weeks.)
Just remember, stairs during those first few days should be handled like we showed in the example -- per our dog's surgeon.
Best of luck to you and Tucker! The best thing I've learned is to just take everything SLOW -- even if it's an inconvenience. The proper healing of your dog's leg is worth it.
Well, Tucker had surgery on Friday and he seems to be doing really well. He even pooped today which I was beginning to worry about! He hates being confined to one room so I was wondering how long did you keep your dog confined in the small space. He seems to be putting some pressure on his foot when walking a little too. Also, his leg is very red - is this what bruising looks like? It isn't swollen though so hope that is a good sign. This is great being able to ask questions and receive answers to quickly - thanks again!
We just used a gated room. Especially with the ecollar on, and since he's such a big dog, I felt he needed a bit of space. Some dogs may do better in a kennel though -- especially smaller dogs.
To be honest, I overdid it a bit at times. I mean, I laid out 2 separate areas for him -- on either side of the bed. Plus he had his own dog bed in front of the bed, like usual.
On one side of the bed, I laid out a bunch of old bed sheets and an old blanket. On the other side I put one of those blow-up Thermarest camping mats (VERY thin, not like an Aerobed or anything) on the floor, then put another thin doggie bed over that.
I thought he might prefer switching things up a bit between these various cushy spots. He definitely did. Especially in those very early days post-op when it was harder for him to get comfortable and find that perfect resting position, he would flip-flop between all of the different cushy spots in the room.
Another interesting note... while he moved around a lot in search of finding that perfect position, he USUALLY would lie directly on the carpeted floor space NEXT to the cushy areas I'd made for him. I would usually find him resting his head on the comfy parts. I finally realized he didn't like having to step "over" things. He just needed to be able to plop down somewhere. And in those very early days, I think the level ground was better for his balance and the distribution of his own body weight.
As for the walks... I've been taking him on Jeep rides since 2 weeks post-op and walking him on the leash (10 minutes tops, usually much less) since 5 weeks post-op.
I will say this... every time after a Jeep ride (where he's standing a lot, sitting very little, and lying down some) he seems more balanced and confident on his TPLO leg, immediately following the ride. I guess it's sort of forcing him to use it a bit -- and in a way that just walking around the house doesn't do.
All that said... he's had the freedom to roam in our entire fenced in yard (not on a leash) from Day 5 or 6 post-op. So the leash walks were purely to get him in the presence of other people again and to get him used to walking casually (slowly) on his leg. (Technically, it's still a bit early to encourage that.)
Hope that helps...
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I feel like a fool, I keep calling the doctors and searching the internet for anything and everything.
I tried the can dog food and it's working he ate two full meals and finally this evening went to the bathroom.
Now the swelling is getting worse and my vet suggested an ace bandage around the bottom portion hoping to reverse the fluids. He said if we don't see improvement in two days to come in and see him. The dog seems to like the bandage, and like you said, he doesn't seem to be in any pain. So I'm hoping it will go away as suddenly as it showed up. Thanks so much for your post, this has been the most positive thing I ran across on the web.
Thanks for your help. How big a space did you leave your dog in at first - just gated in a room or in a kennel? How long after the surgery can you take him for ANY kind of walk? Our dog is getting really antsy as he has already missed his walks for about 2 weeks awaiting the surgery?
Good point, Heather. No, our dog was not left alone after surgery because we both work from home.
If you have to leave your dog alone to go to work, I would DEFINITELY recommend a e-collar. Just make sure you spend at least a day (or two) first getting your dog used to the e-collar before you leave him alone with it.
I only say that because dogs are a little freaked out by it at first. Now, if your surgeon used the e-collar during the first couple days of recovery, then you're all set -- that break-in period has already been done. In which case... just LEAVE the ecollar on 24/7 for a few days so he doesn't think there's any other option.
Aside from that, your dog will be fine. As long as they can't lick the wound, you're all set. He'll pretty much just sleep all day. They really don't want to get up and move too much -- especially in those first few days. So make your dog a comfy place to hang out -- old bed sheets PLUS their doggie bed, maybe. Just a big ol comfy doggy zone that's just theirs for the next several weeks :o)
Hope that helps some.
I would like to know if your dog was left alone when he got home from surgery. I have to go to work and wonder if he will be ok.
I wouldn't worry to much just yet. Our dog didn't poop until 5 days post-op (3rd day at home). It freaked me out at first too. If you're really worried about the no pooping thing, I would give him some canned dog food (canned food runs through my dog's system quicker than dry food).
As for not eating, I would entice him to eat in other ways. Like a Kong toy, stuffed with something he loves -- treats he rarely ever gets (cottage cheese, liver treats, yogurt, etc). I actually stocked up on all his "expensive" but favorite treats ahead of time. (This is the best time to spoil your dog.)
Also, do something completely out of the norm for your dog -- either feed him from your hand, or put his food in a fun "treat toy", so it's more like he's playing than eating. Another thing: those Beneful pre-made dinners worked wonders for my dog -- he ate those up in a heartbeat!
Here's more about my dog's recovery. At this point, I wouldn't get too worried. Though I know that's easier said than done.
Also, my dog's surgeon didn't mind when we called him twice to ask questions like this and get his opinion on things. You may want to do that just to ease your mind.
Oh, and the ankle swelling -- HUGE! And yep, it just showed up one day and it took several days to go away. It looked painful, but I don't think it was. That was the first thing we called the surgeon about... it was the first thing he brushed of as COMPLETELY normal.
Hope that helps some...
My dog just came home on Saturday from having his second TPLO surgery. I'm more concerned this time because he hasn't eaten in two days and we are going on 3+ days without pooping. His leg is now swollen down to the ankle area which never happened the first time. I noticed in your photos your dogs leg also got swollen, did you do anything to bring it down or did it go away on its own?
I would love any positive hope that things aren't going wrong, after that surgery bill I would hate to take him back for complications.
Hopefully he'll be as happy as yours seems in 5 or 6 more days.
Thanks for the update, Brian.
I'm so glad you've reached a decision that makes sense for you and your dog.
I wouldn't worry much about the TPLO surgery itself -- especially since your surgeon is so experienced in it.
The worst part is the 2 nights your dog is not home -- it's too quiet, and you want to be there to comfort him.
Which reminds me, be sure to ask if you can take a toy, blanket, or dog pillow for your dog to have while he's recovering in the pet hospital. I wish I had asked, because they permitted one of each. But I overlooked that small detail at the time. Then I felt bad.
P.S. I just added a 3-week post-op update to Tenor's TPLO Surgery Recovery article here.
Hi, Lynette. Thank you for your reply. I have seen two different Ortho vets to get some opinions. I really liked the second Orth vet that I saw, and the 500 TPLO surgeries he has performed in 8 years, so I scheduled the TPLO surgery for this Friday. I'm nervous/worried, but sites like yours have given me a lot of comfort and helped me prepare for the critical post-op period. I'm not looking forward to it, but my dog is similar to your in many ways and I think this will be what's best for him. Thanks again for being there!
Brian
Oh, and while the surgeon was in there doing the TPLO, he found a big piece of torn cartilage too. So I'm guessing we wouldn't have known about that if we'd not done the TPLO -- which would have meant even MORE pain for the dog through the years. And probably worse arthritis issues(?)
So, the removal of the torn cartilage was a bonus from this TPLO surgery!
Yep - Tenor is in the VERY early days of recovery... just 8 days post op right now. He's doing great. But not putting as much weight on it as we'd think by now.
Anyway, to your questions:
We didn't hesitate too much on the TPLO surgery. We waited a month to make sure it was something this serious and consulted with 3 vets (2 of whom I consider personal friends after so many years of advice).
For us, it came down to the fact that he's such a big dog (75lbs) and a young dog (2 yrs)... and with that much weight to carry around for YEARS, it would probably be in his best interest to just fix it properly once and for all. (He's torn the ACL before -- actually twice we think.)
Later today I hope to post the follow-up about Tenor's day-by-day recovery so far. Plus I'll be including lots of links to other dogs and what their TPLO surgery was like, as well as their recovery.
For some (usually the VERY large dogs) it can be a bumpy road. But I think for most dogs, TPLO surgery is a good fix for what could become a tedious problem throughout the rest of their life if left alone.
We're 100% happy we went ahead with the TPLO surgery. I think it helped knowing that we had the good advice of 3 vets who were genuinely looking out for Tenor's best interest.
Wow, it looks like you just posted this yesterday. I found out two days ago that my yellow lab, Captain Jenkins, has a torn ACL. How easy was it for you to decide on the TPLO procedure? Was it mainly because the surgeons you consulted with gave the TPLO as an only option? I have read about some complications with the TPLO, but I do seem to encounter more positive stories than negative ones. I just worry about the fact that a bone is broken to fix a ligament.